Common abrahamic excuses that hold little waterCommon abrahamic excuses that hold little water4 years ago in Philosophical More Like This
"God gaves us free will, ergo it's pur own fault": Except that the Bible nor the Qu'ran put emphasis on free will. Hell, this excuse is so very recent, that, until a few centuries ago, the idea that God had absolute control over our lives was very popular.
"Its our fault; Adam and Eve's sin created evil, not God!": If you have read Genesis, you'll know this is bullshit (Hell, even Yahweh admits he created evil!). Likewise, at no point is the first sin ever considered a "Pandora's Box" situation.
"God is goodness incarnate! Evil is against his nature!":...have you even read the Bible? Yahweh is also considered to not be goodness incarnate until the NT and Qu'ran; in the OT, he is treated as a Lawful Neutral agent.
"Your're putting everything out of context!": Considering I actually bother to read the Bible/Qu'ran, while you only cherry pick passages your pastor dictates...
"He died for your sins! You should be grateful!":
1- His sacrifice was pointless, He only rescued saints from Sheol
Catholic church, you so wackyWacky in the sense of closeted bigotry, that is.Catholic church, you so wacky4 years ago in Personal More Like This
So I watched an episode of the Australian TV Show Q&A yesterday on Youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD1QHO_AVZA It was Richard Dawkins discussing- what else?- religion with Cardinal Pell, a senior catholic leader in Australia. While Professor Dawkins was jetlagged, he did pretty okay.
The cardinal, though...
Let's just get to the juicy bits right away: Pell comments, when asked why god would reveal himself only to a small nation of illiterate shepherds, that "they were morally an intellectually inferior" to the Egypians and Babylonians, and that "...they still are."
Up until that moment, Pell had seemed halfway sympathetic: accepting of other viewpoints, insisting that atheists too can go to heaven (a direct contradiction of biblical dogma, but the catholics aren't really big on staying consistent). Liberal, accepting, though terribly ignorant.
But it gets better.
On the question of Jews, holocaust etc, Pell manages to say that ".
Yahweh (God) is IllogicalWhile believing in "a" god or gods can possibly be argued with a small degree of logic, it's extremely illogical to believe in the specific god Yahweh - the obviously humanly flawed selfish, jealous, greedy, hateful deity of the bible whose actions and orders fit the description of any religion's main villain, much too tiny and petty to explain the beauty and vastness of this universe.Yahweh (God) is Illogical4 years ago in Philosophical More Like This
Any "all-knowing, all-loving, all-powerful" god who has ordered even one human to kill another human, EVER, is a FALSE god (not to mention the hundreds of thousands of children and women yahweh has ordered exterminated, or taken as slaves... the Good god, everybody!)
EVEN just once!
Or any infinitely loving god who can allow the existence of a place like hell (without becoming so extremely disgusted with himself at even contemplating the idea that he just snaps it out of existence in the very next thought), just proves itself to be a creation based on the umrealistic needs and desires of humanity during
Moderates, chose your side.There are two types of Christians. The first type believes that the stories in the Bible are historically true, and have actually happened. These Christians are very common (especially in the USA, where they are the majority). These are the Christians that I (and most other Atheists) are especially trying to reach, because they often harm others with their believes.Moderates, chose your side.4 years ago in Philosophical More Like This
The second type of Christians believe that the stories in the Bible (like Genesis) are not meant to be taken literally, and are simply parables or metaphors. These Christians are quite common, but to a much less degree than the other type of Christians. While these Christians are often not fundamentalists, they are quite annoying in their own way.
The reason these kind of Christians are so annoying is because they usually target Atheists instead of other Christians, even though they often agree more with Atheists than with other Christians. They accuse us of taking the Bible literally, and try to make us look just as ignora