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Do you believe that art can fundamentally change your sense of who you are?

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Missing Halloween, an animation about two kids trick or treating, was previewed last year on Youtube:

However, the deadline was missed and was decided to remain its production on hold.
But not anymore, of course! Halloween is coming soon after all!


Are you looking forward to watching Missing Halloween?
Do you design your own characters?
Would you like to help with Missing Halloween's production?
Then this is your chance!!!

You can get your design featured in the animation Missing Halloween!


In the animation, there's a part of the story where it features locals in costume giving candies to the two main kids.
This is where you come in!
I decided that instead of randomly designing these people, I can give my fans the opportunity to have their designs featured in the animation!
And if there are too many designs contributed, I can use the others as kids who Trick or Treat in the background!


Submit your own original designed character to the director himself: Mikeinel via note here in DeviantArt. (Possibly with a subject title: "Missing Halloween Submission")
And get a chance to have your design, re-rendered into the animation's cute-and-cartoony art style, appear in Missing Halloween!


-It could be an existing design you created before, even long ago, or a new one you made specifically for this contest!
-Only one design can be submitted per artist.
-The character must be a regular human. (Added) He/she can have additional parts such as animal ears, tail, wings, etc.
-Of course, you should be the owner of the character design.
-The character should not directly be based on any other existing designs.
-No nudity, gore, or anything that can be found offensive to most people.


August 23 (my B-day lol) to August 31:
Accepting of designs.

September 1:
Announcement of the submitted character designs.

September 1 to September 14:
Judging, sorting, and possibly re-rendered into Missing Halloween's art style.

September 15:
Announcement of the designs to get in the animation!


The submissions will be judged and sorted by the director himself!

The top 5 best designs will have the following:
Their character will be featured as one of the young adults giving candies to the kids, fully animated!
Their name put in the credits as "Additional Character Design"

The next 10 (or more) best designs will have the following:
Their character will be featured as one of the many kids in the background, Trick or Treating!
Their name put in the credits under "Character Design Contribution"


In order for the character design to fit in the animation, your submission will have to be altered to accommodate the art-style and content, (Added) making the fantasy-like parts into costume. We're talking about kids in costumes, after all!
Example: Extended body parts such as animal ears, tail, wings, etc. will be redesigned into costume accessories.

Altering/redesigning will be done by the director himself.

Here are some visual examples:


By submitting your design to the project, you'll have to agree to the following:
-If your submission gets accepted to be featured in the animation, you will automatically give permission to let your design be used in the animation.
-(Added) The design you submitted still belongs to you, of course. You may use it to however you like for other purposes, it's your creation after all.
-The re-imagined design will be final and may not be edited when the animation is done.
-No additional rewards, payments, or requests can be made at any time, unless stated otherwise by the director.

-The schedule may possibly be changed at anytime by the director, depending on various situations. (I do hope it doesn't)


If ever you wish to submit a design, then let me just say this in advance: THANK YOU!!! Thank you for helping out on this project!
Missing Halloween may not be a masterpiece, but rest assured, it'll be longer than Draw with Me.
It will be released for free only on Youtube, in hopes that this will be my next animation that isn't an April Fools or job commission~
I hope people around the world will enjoy watching it when it's done!

To the people who have been reserved in my commission page, don't worry, you are not forgotten. But sadly, I have to give priority to other things at the moment. (And this could take months) Thank you for understanding.
I've reached 4k watchers a few days ago and thought about making a small raffle as appreciation for my watchers up until now
Sorry it's only running for two days bcuz i have quite a lot to do...


Time: 10:50 pm AUG 21~ 10:50 pm AUG 23 (Taiwan time UTC+8:00)

1) you must be a watcher since AUG 21, 2014or before that
2) FAVORITE this journal (I'll be using the list's numbering)
3) Make a wishlist (with STASH, google doc, tumblr or whatever) and comment link on this journal 
     Please make it clear (first prize: i want bust otp OR single chara of..../ runner up prize: i want....)


  • 1st PRIZE- 2 winners
    • Bust Up OTP drawing (plz give me relationship description)
  • AT jeusev by chisachan2010 Jinyalucifer by chisachan2010
    • OR

    • Single character drawing (At least half body much more i draw is really up to me)

    • A sketchy colored bust 
  • 20140821 by chisachan2010 <STYLE AShotanor by chisachan2010<STYLE B

status : open

How to commissioning me :
◆ Send me a note with "COMMISSION" title, and fill it with commission FORM
◆ Please wait until I reply your note
◆ I will work on it and show the sketch first, commissioners may make corrections
◆ After you satisfy with the sketch, please sent the full payment & I will start paints the full colored
◆ I will update the commission progress on my DA profile
◆ You will receive A4 jpg images with 300dpi, I will send it to your email

Commission form :
◆ commission detail         : head/bust shot / waist/knee up / etc....
◆ email                           : (to send the final work to your email)
◆ your PayPal emaill        : (if paypal)
◆ number of character     : 
◆ images references        : (link to your characters)
◆ description about your characters (information and personality of the characters, pose, face expression, etc)
◆ others (background, etc)

Payment :
- paypall (USD)
- points ($1 = 100 points)

OK : fanart, oc, artistic nudity, kemonomimi, mild yaoi
NO : hentai, R-18, mecha, anthro, complicated animal
(*kissing, hugging, ero pose [show some abs/leg] are ok. No explicit sex, no male reproduction organ)

◆ Monochrome (black-white or with 1 accent colors)

Bust / head shoot : $5 (+ $3 /add 1 character)
Waist / knee-up    : $10 (+ $5 /add 1 character)
* with simple patterns/solid/no bg only
Man playing violin by RedSeroja
→Please check my gallery to see my artworks :…

◆ 2D CG

Bust / head shoot : $10 (+ $5 /add 1 character)
Waist / knee-up    : $20 (+ $15 /add 1 character)
Full body              : $30 (+ $20 /add 1 character)

Background :
simple patterns/solid/no bg : free
Full colored bg : $ 20-40 (depending of the complexity)

2d artworks dump by RedSeroja
sweet taste by RedSeroja I'll Be By Your Side by RedSeroja
Please check my gallery to see my artworks :…

◆ Semi Realist CG

Bust / head shoot : $20 (+ $15 /add 1 character)
Waist / knee-up    : $30 (+ $20 /add 1 character)
Full body              : $40 (+ $25 /add 1 character)

Background :
simple patterns/solid/no bg : free
Full colored bg : $ 20-40 (depending of the complexity)

Man With Cig by RedSeroja Howl and calcifer by RedSeroja Sinbad by RedSeroja Say Cheese by RedSeroja Kuroo by RedSeroja
→Please check my gallery to see my artworks :…

Commission rules :
  ◆ DO NOT claim, edit, reproduce my artworks or use it for commercial
   Please give me clear references and details (images and text, additional info, personality, etc)
   There will be an extra cost for designing character
  ◆ NO rushing, unless there is a good reason (exm : for birthday gift, etc...)
  ◆ I may will upload commission artworks at my sites, commissioners may ask me to not upload it at site
   The waiting time will vary because first order first serve, I will finish it in 2-4 weeks if I had start to draw it
  ◆ Any other questions please ask me ^^

Warning: This will be detailed so that you can understand better what to write. For those of you who don't want to read, please just delete this entry from your inbox and continue on with your merry day. 

Hi everyone! In my last journal entry I asked if it was okay to write this and I got a good amount of people giving me the okay so here I am. 

Now as I said before and above in the warning, it will be detailed since in too many how to's of this, people say the same thing. Looking up popular and well written lemons do help since you can see how it is written and what to do. But, what a lot of people end up doing is just basically copying lemons and moving some things around to match the characters that are in the lemon. Whether it's an xReader or one with your OTP, a lemon is smut and smut is porn. And everyone wants the good stuff. 

First thing:


This may sound ridiculous but it's more than that. Educate yourself on sex and look shit up so you understand it better. Please don't give that whole, "but my school never taught me/doesn't want to teach me sex ed" or "my parents never gave me the talk" because 1) shame on fucking them and 2) there are handy sites that will teach you. Trust the .org one's though not the .com's so much. By learning more you can write a good lemon that will help you write those stories where the reader/character ends up getting pregnant. 

Oh and speaking of pregnant, here's another thing I want to write about.

Lines you should avoid and things you should avoid doing:

1) "But I don't understand! How did I get pregnant?"
Dead. Fucking. Ass. Unless the character is really stupid, the answer should be obvious. Unprotected sex happens a loooooot in fanfiction so please if you're writing about a one night stand, a mistake, or anything else for that matter, do not make the character a bimbo and proceed to wonder how she got pregnant when HELLOOO. Unprotected sex causes this. Even if she was drunk, she should at least remember she had a one night stand or something because no one can just randomly get pregnant and accept it. The whole "not knowing who the father is" can happen though. Also, I'm indifferent towards the whole no condom/yes condom thing. Just do whatever floats your boat.

2) "His tongue wrestled with yours for dominance and his won." I swear to all things that are lemony smut goodness, THIS is the most used line. Click on a lemon and what do you know! This line shows up because the writer just wants to show already whose in charge in the sex. Hell I've probably used this in desperate times but it needs to stop. Explore other ways to establish dominance. Make the girl/guy tell the other to do things in a demanding voice, have one be pushed up against the wall. Let there be biting and grabbing and so much more. 

3) "I love you." Whaaaa? Avoid that? Well let me explain. A lot and I mean A LOT of lemons end on saying I love you and it's okay but just too many of them end that way. End with one of them saying something flirty or something else. I love you is a good way to end it but seriously, having two characters who just met and decided to fuck shouldn't say that. It makes no sense. It's unrealistic. Especially if want to write a serious on going story, do not throw around the I love you's until the relationship between the characters develops well enough. 

4) Bad dirty talk. You want to write dirty talk? Do it good. Don't just throw in random ass stuff because you don't know what else to do. The typical things are: You're so tight, F-Fuck you feel so good inside of me, You liked being fucked like that, don't you?, I want to feel you come inside of me, Pull my hair and make me your bitch (that's more for someone whose submissive in the relationship), annnd more.

5) Talking too much. I've always found it a bit awkward if during sex the two characters just randomly start talking about their day and then there's a paragraph describing what the character is thinking about (and it's not about the sex). I mean yeah that happens in real life but like, we're here for the lemon. Let's be honest. We just want to read about the fucking.

6) "You're a good girl."
Girls are not dogs. Boys are not dogs. Do not talk to them as such. Sometimes it's sexy but sometimes it gets a little played out. Use it no more than once.  

7) Penis to vagina, penis to vagina. There's a lot of shit that can happen in sex and if it's hetero sex we're talking about (and even gay sex), there's a lot more you can just do then just having penis to vagina action or penis to ass in gay sex. 

That brings me to my next thinga ma boob. 

  • Boobs. We all love them but please learn how to treat them right. Don't write something where the dude/chick is basically just smashing the other girls boobs together.  That doesn't sound sexy (speaking of that, don't actually call them boobs or boobies in the lemon. Liiiiike no. Breasts people. They're called breasts. Or use chest if you want). It sounds painful as fuck. Groping is one thing but literally just squishing them together really hard is another thing. Also, don't forget about the nipples. Pinch them, tug on them, suck on them, and hell, even bite around it a little bit. I mean a small bite of course. Don't do like a massive glomping bite to the boob. Boobs are precious guys. 
  • Oral sex. Ooooo don't lie. You love reading that. (I know I do). Whether its girlxgirl, boyxboy, girlxboy, it happens and of course you need to be careful when writing it. When one comes/climaxes into the mouth of the other, some people have the habit of describing the taste like it's whipped cream or something. Sorry to burst your bubble kids but it doesn't. Salty is more like it. But you can use bittersweet if you don't want to use that word. That doesn't mean you can't use, "Mmmm you taste so sweet". Please do since it's apart of dirty talking. Now when it comes to oral sex, the clitoris (or clit) is something you should be writing about. Picture it as a little nub in your vagina where the magic happens (Jesus Christ I can't believe I just wrote that). It's true though since that's where sexual pleasure occurs. Rubbing, licking, and sucking should happen there and during oral sex, when one is the eating the girl out, don't forget about fingering. Now a blow job isn't literally a girl/guy sucking a dude off. It's moving the head, moving the tongue around, and having the lips press down. NO TEETH. Like seriously I don't have a dick but reading that she bit down sounds painful as fuck.  
  • Genital terms. (Is that even a proper phrase? Oh wells) Sooooooooo. Typical things that are used are manhood and womanhood. I've found the terms to be a bit awkward. Honestly, don't be afraid to use words like cock and pussy. I'm not even joking. Vagina and penis do sound weird but you have other words to chose from. Some people have written core, length, member, and even hot center before. Some of these terms can sound a bit awkward as well (depending on the situation) but if used properly you should be alright. But the manhood thing needs to stop. 
  • Toys. We ain't talking about your Thomas the Choo Choo Train here (idk if that's what it's even called), oh hell no. We're talking about sex toys. Now if you don't know what a strap on or a dildo is.....lesbian sex is probably not for you. But if you do know what that is, and you do want to write lesbian sex, then use those toys. Vibrators can be used on the clit but I believe that there is a special toy that vibrates inside the vagina. I'm not that well educated when it comes to BDSM, but tying one down to the bed or using handcuffs is also good. But when writing BDSM, it's not just that. There are safe words, someone is the dominant one and someone is the submissive one. One doesn't cross lines unless the other is comfortable with it. It's really about communicating. So please don't use Fifty Shades of Grey as a guide. It's terrible. Just...just don't, son.  
  • Kissing. To this day I still struggle with writing this. I don't know why but I do. I'll try my best to explain this one but basically, kissing is more than just moshing your lips onto someone else's. It's not a literal face battle. "His lips brushed against yours in a gentle kiss," is something that is used. Kisses can be rough and passionate and they can be gentle and sweet. Don't forget that tongue is used but try not to use what I stated above and also, "His/her tongue explored your mouth," too much. Remember it's all about moderation. 
  • Connection. Please explore in the feelings of both characters while they're having sex. Have a shiver run down her spine when his fingers trail down her sides, make her whimper when he/she caresses her inner thighs and have her gasp when his/her fingers get close to her center that has become wet because of all his/her teasing. Make him feel completely submissive and at her mercy when she starts to kiss down his chest and across his lower abdomen to his erection. Really explore what they're feeling when being touched by the other. 
  • Foreplay. Before the actual sex, he/she basically has to get warmed up. I know, I know. Weird way of putting of it. But hey I like to add some humor to make things feel less uncomfortable. Anyways, foreplay can contain fingering and rubbing the clit or doing both at the same time. There's also handjobs and though not that many people explore this one, there's also gently rubbing over the dudes balls. I'm still not sure if that works when turning a guy on but I heard it's a sensitive place. However of course you'd want to research that. 
A lot of people want to write a good, long fuck which is great! Sadly, because of this, most lemons end up being badly written and just one character banging the other and that's pretty much just it. Sometimes we stress so much on writing a long lemon that we don't realize how bad it ends up being. I'm not saying to keep it short but sometimes it's a little difficult for you newbies to write a long lemon. As long as it's good and a nice length, you'll be fine. 

We all worry about OOC (out of character) -ness and some people say it's okay however do not completely change the character. For example, Captain America probably wouldn't do the stuff that Tony Stark would/has done. Y'all catch my drift there. 

It's a good thing to explore location. Hot, steamy shower sex is nice, somewhere public is a little a naughty but hey, why not? Things can go beyond the bedroom. If you want to keep it in the house then write about her/him getting fucked on the kitchen table or on the couch. Anywhere really (and I mean that both ways). But do remember not to turn a lemon into a bad porno cause of this. I mean yeah lemon is technically porn but like duuuuddeee. There's good porn and bad porn.

Oh! Another thing is of course: stripping. When it comes to taking off clothes, taking it off in a sexy way is also very good. Have her/him give the other a lap dance and tease the other to make them very turned on. "She swayed her hips from side to side, moving towards him and spreading his legs apart to caress his inner thighs. He swallowed thickly, his heart beginning race and his eyes locked on hers while she slowly unzipped his jeans and her naughty hand went underneath his boxers to brush over his hard cock."

That's something you can write. (Not literally of course, don't steal lines from other writers. And don't even think about stealing lines from books.) 

Some struggle with just starting the lemon. Like okay they're at home or whatever, what do I do next? Obviously don't just make one randomly turned on. Start it off slow. Have one be a tease and do something to turn the other on. She could give him a very heated kiss while moving her hand over the growing bulge in his jeans. We all have those characters who would probably finger another character in public or worse- during a board meeting underneath the table. That's something you can always write before said characters drags the other out of the meeting to the nearest bathroom or to the car. 

You gotta do what you like and what you're comfortable with. If you're really squemish, have a friend read your lemon. But make sure it's your sassy honest one and not the one who agrees with whatever you say. Y'all know what I'm talking about. Honesty can hurt but it's also for your own good. 

Also it's okay to just start off writing the lemon. Nothing wrong with that. There's no rule saying that you have to write the two characters doing something before the actual lemon part. Be creative but also don't forget that you can do whatever the fuck you want (but make sure it's good). 

If you want to use curse words in your lemon, go right ahead. Don't ever let someone tell you that it sounds vulgar or whatever. In my opinion, cursing isn't a big deal. Just don't have the character literally say fuck or fucking in every sentence. Moderation people. Remember that. 

Sweet Sex/Love making: In this case, sweet sex is usually making love which means that it's very soft and gentle. Most of the time the sex is gentle when the character is a virgin. The other character wants to make sure the other is comfortable and is paying attention to all of his/her needs. Butterfly kisses are left across the jaw and hands glide over skin to make the other shiver. It's here where the sex usually happens in the bedroom. 

Rough sex: Rough sex can be a one night stand but it can also be a couple who really just like it rough. Here people can be pushed against the wall and have their lower lip bitten (gently of course, actually making it bleed like a river wouldn't be good). Pulling of the hair can happen as well as new sex positions like one being on all fours. 

Basically I've said everything that I needed to. I hope that this has helped you out more than my past journal entries about this or other journal entries that you may have read. A BIG NO that I have is:


"But it's an anime character-"

I do not give a fuck. No matter who or what (yes, what), no nose bleeds. It just makes it sound really childish. Especially if the guy is in his late twenties and his nose bleeds at the sight of a boob. Most of you who write lemons are teens but you want to write like an adult. 

I hope this helped and if you have any questions, feel free to write a comment or note me. 

P.S. I'm still a virgin. Personally I live by the quote, "my mind is a slut, my body is a virgin" but what I'm trying to say is that you don't have to not be a virgin to write a good lemon. Sure experience helps but don't worry if you have none. Research is good and I really hope these tips helped somehow. 

Stay classy people~
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Giveaway for anyone!!

Journal Entry: Thu Aug 21, 2014, 1:11 AM
  • Mood: dA Love

:wave: Hello! 

Airborne Sherlock Holmes READ CAREFULLY!!!

Bullet; Red :squee:  This giveaway is for ANYONE! You do not have to watch me. Handshake  You can if you want, but it will not earn you another entry!

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Bullet; Red  OMG MOAR POEMS!  Share this journal (Optional. BUT it will add ONE extra chance of you winning! You can give it a title of your choosing!)

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Bullet; Red  This giveaway will end September 15th 2014 

Bullet; Red  Winners will be chosen by

I thought I would do a different kind of giveaway! I have a Photoshop program that has just been sitting around forever, just collecting dust. Thought it might be nice to give it to someone else who may not have many options for Photoshop.
Note (This will require me knowing an address to send it to! I promise this is all I will use it for!!) See the pictures of it here>>>
w00t! If you do not want the Photoshop program, no problem! You can still participate to win :points: or the premium membership though!!
Winner If you are chosen, you will be noted- the first person I note will be asked if they want the program or not :). If not, then I will ask the next! Until someone gets it!

Linux/Unix But wait!!!! That's not it!!! OMG! I can't contain my excitement! 

Bullet; Blue  The person who gets the Photoshop program will ALSO get 100 Points  !! OMG 

Bullet; Blue  One other person will receive 200 Points Nod 
Bullet; Blue  AND ONE random person (Who does NOT have a premium) will also receive a ONE MONTH PREMIUM!! #1 

Bullet; Blue  If there are donations, I can give one lucky person a THREE MONTH!!! omfg 

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Bullet; Green Bullet; Purple Bullet; Black  FYI - Giveaway ends day before my birthday Have your cake and eat it too  So you can donate for that too :) All points donated will now always go towards giving away premiums :heart:

Note United States of America I sincerely apologize, but I can only give the Photoshop program to people in the USA- it costs a LOT extra to ship internationally Tears You can still enter to win Points  though!!! :happybounce: 
It sells on Amazon for $9.99…

Fanart is Art

Journal Entry: Wed Aug 20, 2014, 4:28 PM
It's kind of a debate around this site whether fanart can be considered true art or not. Well, as far as I'm concerned...of course it can.

Fanart is just as legit as original art. It doesn't make it any less artistic, because even though the subject matter involves something created by someone else, you can add your own touches to it to make it unique. You don't have to, however. Some like to stick with drawing fanart as it is canonically, and others--like me--like to add their own spin to popular (or not so popular) characters to give that character's world a little taste of their style.

So many wonderful, talented artists draw fanart all the time. Does that make it any more amazing, because well-known artists draw it? No. But does it make it any less amazing just because it isn't 'original art'? I'd hate to know someone thought I 'wasted' my talent on fanart when I could be doing 'my own ideas'. What's the big deal? I draw fanart and I draw my original work. I don't see what the issue is. :shrug:

Think about it this way, if someone's original work gets recognized and becomes a thing, it's going to be fanart someday too. Haha! No, in all seriousness, the truth is that you're not going to get into a big prestigious art school with nothing but a folder full of anime fanart. People want to see new concepts, new characters, new stories, new styles. Nothing wrong with that. Everything gets boring and repetitive at some point. Kinda like how a lot of people are sick of seeing everything being pony-fied since MLP:FiM took the world by storm. But, even though I'm not an MLP fan, I have seen some awesomely beautiful MLP fanart by gifted artists who deserve credit for the work they do, whether or not it's 'original'. You have to realize that some people don't draw for the sake of getting into an art school. Some people draw just because they love doing it and it's their passion, and I don't think anyone should tell them what they draw isn't art and isn't going to get them anywhere. That's like telling an amateur golfer that they'll never get to the PGA because they're using the wrong clubs. They probably don't care. They're just golfing for fun.

Yeah, I do get tired of seeing people do the same things over and over, but that doesn't mean it's any less artistic. I'm sick to death of seeing Frozen fanart, but that doesn't mean people will stop drawing it. Just because people beat a dead horse doesn't mean fanart itself is any less artistic and creative, especially when there are still people who are taking popular things and making them interesting.

People tell me 'original art is better than fanart' then people tell me 'draw fanart, you'll get more recognition'. How about I do both? I'm a versatile person, I like variety. I don't have to draw the same thing every day. What I draw all depends on how I feel or even what music I'm listening to. I don't need anyone to tell me what to draw, and I'm certainly not going to draw fanart just for the sake of getting views.

Conclusion? It's art, whether it be the beautiful and unique things that flow out of your mind, or the designs and concepts of others that you just happened to render. Draw whatever you want, because at the end of the day, it should be the quality of your work and the effort put into it that people should be taking into account. Not the subject matter. And besides...nothing is truly original and never will be.

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  • Reading: Texts
  • Drinking: Diet Pepsi. Like I would drink anything else, lol

fnaf icon commissions

Journal Entry: Wed Aug 20, 2014, 6:37 PM

Gay Royalty ♔

CSS Skin

i wasnt going to do commissions for these but there were so many of you who wanted one omg?? 
thank you guys for the interest, i was really nervous to post that so it was kind of a shock to get so many cool comments :'3 

ANYWAYS this is the base i'll be using;

no outline by catdoq white outline by catdoq

and here it is finished;

Niceee-5 by catdoq what the h ell by catdoq

for price im thinking 3-6$/300-600:points: depending on how much you want me to modify the base 0:
all my usual commissions terms apply, read them here;…

please include the following info in your comment/note;
- character ref
- outline or no outline
- open or closed mouth
- full or circle background
- any other details 

i can also probably make the eyes normal but idk it might look weird
and for details, please specify if i need to change anything on the base like ears/hair/etc.


Don't give in!

Note: The following essay is an OPINION. Can’t handle it? I refer to the back button in the top left corner.

This is not meant to offend any shippers, I just felt the need to express my point of view. I will try to be as respectful as possible, however please note that I am also very blunt. Can’t handle that? I once again refer you to the top left corner.

I don’t expect anyone to stop shipping Jelsa because of this. I know that people will ship whatever they want regardless of what I say, and that’s fine. But if you don’t mind someone’s opinion, then please take some time to read this.

One last thing: Please read the whole essay before commenting. Thank you.

Why I DON’T Ship Jelsa

There sure is a lot of blue on the Internet these days…

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Ah, Jelsa, Jelsa, Jelsa. From the moment I saw it, I knew it would be popular. I mean, it’s two attractive people with ice powers! Of course they would get shipped! but I admit, I never expected it to reach this extent. In fact, it has become so popular, it’s even caught the attention of several online magazines:




I mean...dang.

I was pretty neutral to this pairing at first, but now I’ve started to become rather annoyed by it. As you’ve probably guessed by the title, I dislike the pairing. Not simply because it’s so popular, but because I can’t understand for the life of me why it’s so popular. How could such a  simplistic ship with blatant logical errors garner such a huge following? I don’t get it.

Granted, I’ve seen some pretty lame reasons to hate on this ship, but I’m not here to talk about those. It’s not canon? She’s disney and he’s Dreamworks? Pff. Who cares. It’s fandom, we ship what we want.

The shippers are jerks? Maybe I’m just being a hipster over here? Nahhh. It’s true that several of the shippers are jerks, and that stinks, but that’s really no reason to hate on the pairing itself. Never judge a ship by its shippers (or shippers by their ship, for that matter).

So then, what’s the real reason I dislike Jelsa?

Honestly...I just think it’s shallow.

The basis is weak, the reasoning is surface-level, the logic is unconvincing...Trust me, I’ve read a whole bunch of argument defending Jelsa and all of them pretty much say the same things. Most if not all of the arguments can be easily refuted.

And that’s what I plan to do: debunk the most common arguments defending Jelsa, and then dive into the real reason that I don’t like the ship. And if you still think I’m being a hipster after that, then...the back button is still there, bruh.

(Please note that this essay is called “Why I Don’t Ship Jelsa, so please don’t take it personally.)

Before I dive into the reasoning, let me treat you all to an actual, legitimate conversation I had with my friends IRL, just to set the mood for the rest of the essay and to set up the main problems with the ship:

Friend #1: I ship Jack Frost with Elsa
Me: *sigh* Ok...but may I ask you why
Friend #1: The snow powers!
Friend #2: Oh yeah, I never thought about that! And they both look alike too!
Friend #3: Yeah, and Elsa didn’t have a boyfriend in her movie…
Friend #1: Yeah!
Friend #3: And they both have white hair?
Me: Is...that all there is?
Friend #1: She ships Elsa with Wreck-it Ralph
Friend #2: Eww!
Me: What do you mean? They have lots in common! Both of them were rejected because of their abilities and--
Friend #1: Oh yeah, she likes to go all deep and stuff. I just ship based on looks.
Friend #3: Wasn’t Jack rejected too?
Me: Not really, he just wasn’t famous, it’s not like he had trouble with--
Friend #2: Yeah but Jack is so much better looking than Ralph
Me: Never mind. Let’s talk about something else.

Once again, this is an actual, real-life conversation I had with my friends. I didn’t make any of this up. Now, these are three of my dearest, lifelong friends and I love them forever, but you can’t help but question their logic a little, right?

Let’s go over the things they mentioned in the conversation:

:snowflake:Attractive looks
:snowflake: Similar color schemes/appearances
:snowflake: Blatantly obvious shared ability

It’s kinda interesting that the most popular pairing in the fandom just happens to have all three of those things, isn’t it? Or am I imagining things?

Sadly, only a portion of Jelsa shippers actually bother to go beyond that when it comes to explaining their ship. A lot of them ride on looks and powers (mostly powers) as the basis of the ship. The magazine articles I linked above are more or less the same.

I realize that there are other reasons that fans give for the ship, but first, let’s go over those mentioned in the dialogue.

:snowflake: Ice Powers

This is one of the most-debated factors when it comes to discussing the ships legitimacy. Non-shippers argue that Jelsa is only shipped because of the ice powers, while the Jelsa shippers argue that there is more to it than that. But let’s just face the facts here: this is kinda the first thing that comes into people’s heads. While it’s not the only reason given, it’s the first thing that people notice between the two characters and it is likely the reason that people connected the two together in the first place. If it wasn’t for ice powers, most of the current Jelsa-shipping populus wouldn’t have even considered the pairing in the first place.

I’ve seen a few Jelsa shippers comment something along the lines of, “Even people outside the fandom say they should be together! That’s proof that they are meant to be!” But really, what makes you think that people outside the fandom are bothering to notice anything beyond the obvious? I’ve had that happen to me, where a friend would finish watching RotG/Frozen with me and say, “Jack and Elsa would make a cute couple,” and when I ask them why, do you know what they say?

Ice Powers.

And why wouldn’t they? It’s so obvious.Even the magazine articles I linked above, plus many other interpretations of the ship, use phrases like “frosty love” and “icy romance” to describe the pairing. It’s the whole reason the connection was made.

But you know what I think? I don’t think ice powers should even be</i> a reason for shipping at all! The ice powers thing should just be an added bonus, not the basis for the whole ship. Can you imagine if abilities were a determining factor in real life? Architects would only date architects. Singers would only date other singers. “Oh, he’s a good artist and I’m a good artist? Gee, we should totally go out!”

What about personality? Compatibility? Things that actually make these characters people instead of just beings with ice powers?  Compared to that, ice magic really doesn’t matter at all.

Now, there are people who try to explain why the ice powers matter in the relationship (the most common argument being “He could show her how to have fun with/control her powers”), but we will get to that in a minute.

:snowflake:Similar/Attractive looks.

I can’t believe I even need to address this. Unfortunately, it comes up in way too many “justifications” of the pairing for me to ignore.

I will keep this short. Why does it matter at all that they both have pale skin? Or similar hair colors? Or that they both wear blue? In what way does that make them compatible with each other? There are a million boys in the world who have the same hair color and skin tone as me, does that mean that they are all automatically compatible love interests with me?

Of course not. It doesn’t matter. It adds nothing to the relationship. In fact, this isn’t even shallow, it’s beyond shallow. It’s desperate. People are just desperately naming random things that they have in common just to make their ship look more legit. But it will never matter. I find it rather sad that people actually use this as a reason for the pairing.

As for them being attractive, it’s more or less the same thing. Loving someone just because they are good looking is something we should all know is shallow and silly. I don’t care if they are both attractive physically. This does not make them compatible. Don’t be vain, and start digging deeper.

:snowflake: ”They are both single.”

I’m not even going to try and pull the whole “it doesn’t matter if they are single or not this is fandom” stuff. This statement is simply false. The directors of RotG literally said that Tooth is Jack’s canon love interest. Just because they do not loudly declare their love or make out in the movie doesn’t mean there is no romance between them.

In fact, they even said that if a sequel is made, Jack and Tooth would have a love story and they would kiss.

Do you have to ship Jack and Tooth together because of this? No, of course not. But don’t give me whole “they’re both single” excuse because it’s simply not true.

:snowflake: ”He’d show her how to have fun with/control her powers.”

This is the thing I mentioned that I would talk about earlier. It’s good to see that people actually bothered to come up with it, but even so, I still don’t agree.

It’s probably safe to assume that this would happen before or right at the beginning of the Let it Go sequence, since that was the time that Elsa had the most trouble controlling her powers. In this case, there are two scenarios that I often see happening:

The first is that Jack met Elsa when she was locked up in her room. At that point, she was too paranoid to let anyone help her with her powers. She wouldn’t talk to Anna and eventually she grew distant from her parents, so why would she let Jack help her? Perhaps, maybe, she’d be relieved to see that he possesses ice magic as well…

Until she realizes that her powers are stronger than his.

Until she realizes that he’s never hurt anyone with his ice, and therefore isn’t burdened by it or experiencing the same problems that she has. Jack was never treated like a monster for his powers, so why should Elsa listen to him?

At this point, Elsa, being the pessimist that she was, would realize that he wouldn’t be able to help much and therefore want him to leave the way she did with Anna. She was just too scared, and at that point in her life it would be impossible for anyone to help her, even Jack, simply because she would not allow it to happen.

Move over to the other side of the spectrum, during Let it Go and at the end of the movie--and what do you know? Elsa already knows how to have fun with her powers! She doesn’t even need someone to show her how, all she needed was to feel that she is free enough to do it.

I know what you’re thinking, “but she wouldn’t have felt free if it wasn’t for love!” True, but guess what? Anna’s already got that covered, so once again, there is no need for Jack.

Long story short, there’s just no room for Jack’s involvement in or after Elsa’s story at all without making it seem inconsistent or rehashing Anna’s role. Even after the film, if Elsa were to have supposed “relapses,” Jack wouldn’t be able to help her because once again, Elsa is too closed off to let him.

Before we go on to the next point, I’d like you all to picture something in your heads:

Imagine that you are a painter, and you are known to be one of the world’s best. One day, another person comes along, who is also an amazing painter, and the whole world seems to associate you two together because of this. The person is fairly attractive and kinda looks like you (same hair color, eye color, etc,) and you get along fairly well...and then one day you realize that they are very childish. Very VERY childish, much below your level of maturity. And it’s not just every now and then or with their baby cousin or something, this is their actual personality. This doesn't stop the two of you from getting along, but any romantic potential that this person had in your mind is now gone, even though the rest of the world still associates you two together.

Replace the painting skills with ice powers, and that’s basically Jelsa.

”But Maria! People don’t just ship Jelsa for their looks and powers! There are other reasons too!”

Yes, I am aware. And that’s what I’m going to talk about next, the most common reasons for shipping Jelsa outside of looks and powers. Let’s take a look at them:

:snowflake:They were both isolated/loney

From what I’ve seen, most people don’t go beyond that. They are both isolated, therefore they are going to relate to one another.

However, I find this analysis to be extremely surface-level and unconvincing. Besides the fact that lots of animated characters have been experiencing isolation as of late, people just don’t seem to realize that isolation is a common result for many different problems. Just because the two characters are separated from everyone else, doesn’t mean that their problems are the same. In this case, they’re not. Jack and Elsa both go through a period of isolation, yes, but the reasons why are very different.

Elsa was what you could call quarantined.--as if she had some kind of disease. She was treated like a monster because of her ice powers and was therefore separated from everyone.

Jack, on the other hand, was isolated because he...wasn’t famous. That’s completely different from being isolated because of an ability. No, he was alone because people didn’t know who he was, not because they feared him. It wasn’t that he was burdened abilities or his role in life, he was just looking for a friend who could see him and enjoy his company.

In other words, Elsa was isolated because of a burden, while Jack was burdened by his isolation. Do you see what I mean? Two very different problems. For Elsa, the burden came first, and the isolation as a result, but with Jack, it’s the other way around.

By that context, they might be able to relate a little bit, but there are other characters who would relate to each of them much better than they would relate to one another. Like I mentioned before in the “Having fun with powers” section, how could Elsa expect Jack to help her with her powers if he’s never been burdened by them in the same way she has? What Elsa needs is someone who was quarantined, like herself. They don't necessarily need to have the same powers, but just someone who was rejected because of an ability/role. (I personally ship her with Ralph because he was ostracised for his “bad guy” status, but there are other characters who fit as well.)

Jack, too, would fit better with someone who is more like him--someone who was burdened by their isolation and just wanted a friend to be with. Characters like Mavis, Anna, etc fit that bill pretty well, much better than Elsa does.

I think the direction fans wanted to go with the “loneliness” is that Jack somehow “knows what Elsa is going through.” But as I explained above, he really doesn’t. He has ice powers, but they are not a problem for him. He’s isolated, but not out of hatred or rejection. He really doesn’t know what she’s going through at all. Being isolated does not mean that they have the same issue. The reasons do matter.

:snowflake:They both selflessly love their sisters


I mean, it’s great that Jack and Elsa both love their sisters, but...well, I imagine any other animated protagonist would do the same, don’t you? I can see Jack and Elsa getting along and talking about their little sisters every now and then, but I fail to see how this adds to their romantic relationship. It says nothing about their personality/character except that they are both nice people, which, again, most animated protagonists are.

:snowflake: He’d bring out her fun side and she’d bring out his mature side.

This is a tough one to tackle because fans may interpret it different ways, so the only thing I can say about this possible dynamic is...perhaps so.

However, that begs the question: If Jack is there to bring out Elsa’s find side, where does that leave Anna? 

That’s pretty much what Anna’s role in Elsa’s story is, right? To bring out Elsa’s fun and gentle side and help her relax a bit?

I mean, if Jack and Elsa’s relationship so closely mirror’s Elsa and Anna’s, it seems more likely for Elsa’s mind to associate him with Anna instead of see him as a possible romantic option. That’s why I think that Jack and Elsa would have more of a brother/sister dynamic than a romantic one, because the two relationships seem pretty much the same.

And on Jack’s side, aren’t the Guardians performing Elsa’s supposed role in this dynamic as well? Characters like North and Sandy, they help bring out Jack’s mature side, don’t they? And North is like a father figure to Jack, so if Elsa were to do the same, wouldn’t Jack see her as more of an older sister or a mother figure? The fact that she’s so regal and polite in comparison to him would only add to that.

It doesn’t make sense to me for a romantic relationship to mirror the ones that a character already has with friends/family/family figures. Remember when I said that there’s no room for Jack to be in Elsa’s story? This is why. He doesn’t really add anything new in her life that she doesn’t already have in Anna. Heck, you could replay the entire plot of Frozen with Jack in the place of Anna and the story would be the same. And considering that Frozen is a movie about a sibling relationship and not a romantic one...hmm…

By that context, there’s no room for Elsa to be in Jack’s story either. If the two were to meet somehow, it seems much more likely that their relationship would be more of friendship or familial love than anything else.

Tooth, another one of the Guardians, is technically Jack’s love interest. While she does bring out his mature side a little bit, her role in Jack’s life is very different from that of North, mostly because she is much closer to Jack in terms of mental age, so he would not see her the same way he sees North, Sandy, Bunny, or in terms of this discussion, Elsa.

Which brings me to the biggest reason in my mind of why I don’t think Elsa and Jack make good couple:


This is it, everyone. This is the reason. I know you’ve heard this one before. Besides the fact that none of the reasons for shipping them have a strong basis, this is the one thing that initially drove me away and continues to drive me away from the ship. The maturity gap between the two characters just makes it near impossible for me to wrap my head around the ship. I’ve seen so many Jelsa shippers try to write around or even disregard this fact, which bother me because this really is a crucial part of both their characters. I’m not even going to talk about the whole immortal/mortal issue or even the 3-4 year difference in their physical age. No, this is about maturity.

Now, I’ve seen a lot of non-Jelsa shippers say something like, “Elsa acts like an adult and Jack acts like a kid.” Really though, that’s only half true. The reason so many Jelsa shippers are able to put up a fight against this is because Jack doesn’t act like a kid. He acts like a teenager. Teenegers are a whole lot more mature than children, trust me. I’ve seen how kids act. They’re ridiculous.

However, while Jack does have more maturity than a young child, he still has very distinct adolescent traits, and I highly doubt that anyone would ever call him an adult or a grown man. And Elsa, while she does possess some childlike innocence, is still clearly very adult-like, and would never be called a teenage girl.

...And yet...that’s how I see her portrayed in every single Jelsa fanfic I read. The writers will take away the mature, grown woman that Elsa is and replace her with an impulsive, flirty, hormonal teenage girl (in other words, they basically turn her into Anna). But she’s not. She’s a grown adult woman and adult women simply don’t</b> date teenage boys.

Remember the “painter” scenario I gave you earlier? That was written from the perspective of a teenager trying to date someone who acts like a kid, but it also works from the perspective of someone with an adult mindset trying to date someone who acts like a teenager. See what I mean? Like I mentioned several times before, this is how Elsa would most likely perceive Jack--as a little brother, not a possible boyfriend. He’s such a young boy in comparison to her and she would notice that.

From what I’ve seen, the majority of Jelsa shippers are teenagers themselves on the same level as Jack, so that might explain why they see Jack to be more mature than he really is. But that does not explain why Elsa is goes from a classy regal lady to a young girl like Anna, Rapunzel or Mavis in fanfiction (it’s possible that she’s being used as a self-insert, but I won’t go into that here) just so she can be compatible with Jack. I mean, if you have to change a character so drastically in order to make a pairing work, isn’t that an indication that the pairing...just doesn’t work?

I’ve seen a lot of Jelsa photomanips and fanart around here, and while everyone says they look so cute together, I just get extremely mind-boggled. I look at those pictures and I see a young, teenage boy making out with a fully-grown woman and I get very confused. Very, very confused.

”But Maria! Didn’t you see the movie? Elsa isn’t so serious! She was being cheerful and having fun!”

Are...are adults not allowed to have fun?

This is a common misconception I see when I read about this pairing. People seem to have the strangest idea that “serious” is the same as “mature” while “cheerful” is the same as “childlike.” This is not true at all! There are many adults and adult characters who are optimistic and joyful, but still very mature and grown-up. The two aren’t opposites in any way. Look at North, for example! He’s jolly, he’s fun, he’s a little goofy sometimes, but would you ever doubt that he is a grown man? He’s got many mature qualities to indicate that he is an adult: responsibility, experience, wisdom, etc.

Elsa, albeit in her own way, is similar. She is cheerful at times and knows how to have fun, but still possesses many adult traits: she’s regal, refined, sophisticated, dignified, and just very queen-like. On the other hand, while Jack is seen to be mature at times (remember, he is a teenager and not a kid), he still has many traits that prove him to be mentally young: He makes rash decisions, he gets moody easily (dare I say, much more easily than Elsa), he picks fights...etc. He just acts so noticeably young while Elsa acts so noticeably mature.

Elsa, being the introvert that she is, would quickly pick up on this (introverts are very perceptive, trust me), get that impression right off the bat, and like I’ve stressed before, would see him more as a little brother, not a romantic option.

Seriousness is not maturity and cheerfulness is not immaturity. I have no clue where this idea comes from but it’s simply not true.

Furthermore, Jack is a teenager and Elsa is an adult. There is no way to write around that without seeming like you’re writing about a different character.

Even if all the reasons to ship them were more well thought out, their personalities, the very thing that makes them characters, make the whole ship seem illogical (as it stands, the reasons for shipping aren’t well thought out, so the pairing is illogical either way.)

So, I ask again, why is this pairing so popular?? The logic and reasoning are weak, their personalities and stories don’t allow for it, and the pairing in general is just all-around shallow. Truth be told, the only explanation I can find for this pairing’s crazy popularity is, in fact, ice powers.

And that’s unfortunate. It’s unfortunate that an illogical pairing would gain such a huge following simply because of something so minor. It only shows how shallow the fandom really is. Even the people who try their darndest to come up with something deeper for the ship end up with very fickle reasoning, because in the end, there’s nothing deep about this pairing at all.

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